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Hillary Clinton - The Write-in Candidate?

Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:58 AM EDT
politics, mccain, clinton, presidential-election, obabma
By brinsmaid

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Would you consider writing in Hillary Clinton?

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  • 22930
    Yes
    87%
  • 22931
    No
    13%

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I was having a discussion amongst friends and we started talking politics and the Presidential Election. The following questions were posed:

What if all of Hillary Clinton's supporters decided to write her in? What if a few Obama supporters were swayed in her direction during the last six months of the campaign? Could this possibly result in Clinton being elected?

A cursory search on Google shows that many people are considering her as the write-in candidate. If a movement such as this were to gain momentum, and she does not garner/maintain a sore loser status up until the election, this could possibly happen.

What are your thoughts? I have setup a poll as well.

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leogodin

Great question. To be honest, I can't stand Hillary. That being said, I'm a big fan of write in votes. If you are not satisfied with any candidates on the ballot then you should write in a candidate. Unless someone comes along to change my mind I plan to write in Ron Paul. If enough people did this it could send a message to the two major parties. It seems useless to most people but what if the Republicans lost by a very close vote and then found out that many who would normally vote Republican voted for Ron Paul. Maybe they'd take a look and see what they can do to get conservatives back. The same could be said for Democrats (with liberals instead of conservatives of course).

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:29 AM EDT
amdac

Granted I have a new respect for Hillary Clinton since Sarah Palin arrived on the scene, it would not garner enough support to undermine the candidacy of Obama. I can't believe that Hillary Clinton would want to him to lose the election just to make headlines.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 11:45 AM EDT
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SepticSkeptic

I support McCain, but I have to say that a write-in vote for Clinton is basically a vote for McCain. She has no chance. Voting for her only divides democratic and democratic-leaning votes, ensuring a McCain victory. That said, I think Clinton supporters will find that they have more in common with McCain than Obama, so instead of writing in Hillary, I invite you to vote for McCain in the first place. I know that many of you will not, simply for "moral high ground" reasons. That is a thin smokescreen at best. The choice is clear. McCain or Obama. Writing in any candidate is as good as staying home.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:53 AM EDT
Frank-453725

Hey Septic Tank,
So you think Hillary has no chance? I beg to differ with you..If everyone writes her in and MANY MANY will. she has a very good chance of winning..Remember, she won the popular vote, she won all the large states, so i'd be quiet if i were you Mc Cain lover.

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
leogodin

Frank,
Are you serious or are you just having fun? There is no write in candidate that has a chance. As a Ron Paul fan I wish there was a chance but there is no chance for Hillary to be elected through a write in campaign. (BTW, I am writing in Ron Paul since I don't like any of the party candidates)

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:48 AM EDT
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brinsmaid

Writing in any candidate is as good as staying home.

On a smaller scale, I'd tend to agree, but the point is...theoretically, if every Clinton supporter plus a few swayed Obama supporters wrote her in, she could be elected.

Regardless of who is running though, the sad reality is that a write-in candidate will probably never win a Presidential election. If it has ever happened, I am unaware of it.

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
brinsmaid

This post is hypothetical. Let's keep that in mind.

  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:25 AM EDT
agio

I'm sorry but there's no chance of Hillary winning this way. And, if you are a Hillary supporter then you should probably listen to what Hillary is now saying to her supporters: vote for Obama.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:32 AM EDT
brinsmaid

I know for whom I am voting...and it is not Hillary Clinton.

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:01 PM EDT
t-433346

I am a Hillary supporter and there is no possible way I would ever ever ever vote for Obama. I will say he is doing a great job of tricking Americans into thinking he could possibly lead the country with his measly experience in the Senate. Obama belongs on the cover of US magazine not in the Oval Office...And, lets be honest, you think Hillary really wants people to vote for him, yeah right. I think we all know that Hillary is going to privately laugh and think "I told you so" when McCain wins the election.

  • 1 vote
#5.2 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:49 AM EDT
leogodin

t-433346,
What exactly has Hillary accomplished in the Senate that would make her experience better than Obama's? It seems to me that Obama has accomplished much more than Hillary in his lifetime. I will say that most of his accomplishments are on the state level which is not as good as national experience but at least he has accomplishments. Hillary has goals, talks, relationships but few accomplishments that I know of. Feel free to educate me if I'm wrong about that.

  • 1 vote
#5.3 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
t-433346

LIST:

H. Clinton accomplishments:

1. Her first cause was children, fighting abuse, and chairing the Children's Defense Fund.
2. She began her career as a lawyer after graduating from Yale Law School in 1973.
3. following her career as a Congressional legal counsel; she was named the first female partner at Rose Law Firm in 1979 and was listed as one of the one hundred most influential lawyers in America in 1988 and 1991.
4. During 1974 she was a member of the Nixon impeachment inquiry staff in Washington D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. She helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.
5. Hillary co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977.
6. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation.7. She was the First Lady of Arkansas from 1979 to 1981 and 1983 to 1992, and was active in a number of organizations concerned with the welfare of children, and was on the board of Wal-Mart and several other corporate boards.
8. Bill Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.
9. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place.
10. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
11. As First Lady of the United States she took a very prominent role in public policy.
12. She was the initial first lady to hold a post-graduate degree and to have her own professional career up to the time of entering the White House. She was also the initial first lady to take up an office in the West Wing of the White House.
13. She fought hard for Universal Health Care as First Lady, although it wasn't successful, it's something she learned from.

14. She visited over 80 countries as First Lady giving important speeches, about such controversial topics as human rights/women's rights in China.

15. Her major initiative, the Clinton Health Care Plan, failed to gain approval by the Congress in 1994, but in 1997 she helped establish the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and the Adoption and Safe Families Act.
16. As a Senator and after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild.
17. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.
18. She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
19. She has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in countless other locations, truly understanding the challenges facing our troops.
20. Hillary passed legislation to track the health status of our troops so that conditions like Gulf War Syndrome would no longer be misdiagnosed.
21. She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves and has been a strong critic of the Administration's handling of Iraq.
22. She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.
23. She has supported a variety of middle-class tax cuts, including marriage penalty relief, property tax relief, and reduction in the Alternative Minimum Tax, and supports fiscally responsible pay-as-you-go budget rules.
24. She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.
25. She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.
26. She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.
27. She has lead the fight for the expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.
28. Clinton has successfully worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act.

29. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

30. She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.
31. Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning.
32. She fought with the Bush Administration and ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.
33. She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

....all of this while Barack was doing coke or listening to his preacher talk about the evils of white people

  • 1 vote
#5.4 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:34 AM EDT
leogodin

Almost all of what you listed are appointments and goals not accomplishments. Anything that starts with "she led the fight" or "she proposed", etc... are not accomplishments. She has led a life full of appointments, speeches, and fights but has few accomplishments to show for it. We all work. I've had many jobs in my life. What I'm looking for are significant accomplishments. Chairing a committee is not an accomplishment. Chairing a committee and making change for the better that is measurable is an accomplishment. Sponsoring a bill and getting it passed is an accomplishment (to her credit she does appear to have passed some bills).

  • 1 vote
#5.5 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
t-433346

Chairing a committee is an accomplishment. To be named the chairman is an accomplishment is itself...If I was named the chairman of a committee in a professional enviroment you bet that would be listed on my resume as an accomplishment.

What do you define as an accomplishment? If introducing many bills onto the senate floor, getting a number of them passed and sitting as a committee chairman are not accomplishments for a Senator, what are? How do you make "change for the better that is measurable" - what does that mean? what are your terms for measure? so, if a bill passes its sucessful? there is no way objective way to measure success based on your terms as stated thus far.

  • 1 vote
#5.6 - Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:25 AM EDT
leogodin

"getting a number of them passed " That is an accomplishment. Submitting a bill is not an accomplishment. As far as political appointments, she is the wife of Bill Clinton. Of course she will have many opportunities. What I'm interested in is what she did with her opportunities.

When it comes to measurements you can say things like the following.

"Chaired a committee that was tasked with increasing the employment levels of a major city. This committee helped reduce the unemployment rate from 8% to 4%." - That would be an accomplishment. Just being a political appointee is not enough. Your appointment needs show results. Even on your resume a line like this would look much better than "appointed to such and such committee"

  • 1 vote
#5.7 - Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
t-433346

difference of opinion on this one....

getting elected class president, chairman of a committee, president of the united states are all accomplishments in their own right. "helped reduce the unemployment rate from 8% to 4%" is just another accomplishment to list on the resume that stemmed from the success of their inital efforts and first accomplishment of putting themselves in the driver's seat.

Not fair to say hillary has accomplished what she has (or had the "opportunity") because she is bill's wife - unless you also want to talk about how far obama has gotten in this election simply because of the color of his skin. which i think both should be dropped and neither cited.

  • 1 vote
#5.8 - Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
t-433346

you just contradicted yourself....you say getting a bill passed in the senate is an accomplishment. what if the bill is completely ineffective - still an accomplishment? according to your logic, no. if the bill was meant to "reduce the unemployment rate from 8% to 4%." just because its passes dosnt mean its done its job.

unlike, my logic. where a bill being introduced and talked about is an accomplishment in itself. lets say gun control is a big problem in LA. the senator from CA who at least gets the senate to discuss gun control on the floor and consider a bill - an ACCOMPLISHMENT. gets the right people talking about and raising awareness of an issue important to the people of LA. whereas, if they can also pass a bill that is effective, that is yet another ACCOMPLISHMENT to ADD to the list.

  • 1 vote
#5.9 - Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
leogodin

No, getting a bill passed is an accomplishment. Reasonable people can debate whether it is a positive or negative accomplishment but it is an accomplishment.

  • 1 vote
#5.10 - Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
leogodin

It looks like we just disagree on this. That's OK. Thanks for answering my original question with a lot of good data to think about. I don't often see that on the vine.

  • 1 vote
#5.11 - Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
t-433346

nice debating with you

  • 1 vote
#5.12 - Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:46 PM EDT
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Geminga

I seriously considered this option when Obama was in trouble during the primaries. Considering the overwhelming grassroots candidacy he has, I'll bet it would have happened had he lost the primary.

  • 1 vote
Reply#6 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
indecent

I can't think of a better way to waste my vote.

  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
t-433346

PS - if you want to talk about the accomplishments ("opportunties") of hillary based on her relationship to bill (which is unfair) we would also need to include a conversation about obama and where he is in this election due to the color of his skin - both are not fair to bring up.

  • 1 vote
Reply#8 - Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
lhal

Writing in a candidate isn't allowed in every district. One has to check. However, I will write Hillary Clinton in if I determine for sure that it's allowable in my district. The problem is that there is not a good deal of clear guidance on this process. I do think that writing in a candidate is a reasonable thing to do when no candidate is preferable.

  • 1 vote
Reply#9 - Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:25 AM EDT
leogodin

Interesting. I didn't know that. I just assumed you could do it anywhere.

  • 1 vote
#9.1 - Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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ladylincoln

I will be writing in Hilary's name. It is quite apparent that Obama just doesn't have what it takes to be a leader. Hilary Clinton is a fighter and if you had to choose between Palin and Hilary as President, there is just no question that Hilary is the winner there.

It is unfair to constantly link Hilary to Bill when it comes to accomplishments. Hilary has always been a fighter and has never needed to hang on to Bill's shirt tails to be successful.

I lived in Arkansas when the Clinton was governor. He took a poor, unproductive state, and turned it into an economic giant. You would not even recognize Northwestern Arkansas now with all of the economic growth.

And for those who think that Hilary is unimportant, it seems to me that the Obama camp is begging for the Clintons help in getting elected. Obama is a big boy and if he can't do it on his own, he is the only one to blame. He could have brought in Hilary and the millions of votes from the working class and the women in this country, but he chose to bring in Joe Biden who brings nothing to the campaign and shows that Obama is not a risk taker.

My vote is for Hilary and I urge everyone that I talk to to write in her name. I am voting my conscience, not letting a party tell me who I should vote for.

  • 2 votes
Reply#10 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:07 PM EDT
leogodin

I am voting my conscience, not letting a party tell me who I should vote for.

Good for you. I wouldn't vote for Hillary but I applaud your convictions. I wish there were more people like you.

  • 2 votes
#10.1 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
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jryan999

I think everyone is missing the bigger picture here. The right to vote doesn't mean the right to vote for who you are told to vote for. You don't have limited choices. The point of voting is to vote for who you best believe should be the leader of our country. To vote for the person you trust most with matters that concern you. If McCain or Obama fits those qualifications then vote for them but if you feel that Clinton or Ron Paul would best represent your interest vote for them. Be an individual. Remember when it comes time for you to vote its only you and the ballot. Stop giving into  the popularity machine this country has made of our voting system. Thats why you have to the opportunity to write-in your votes. Do what you feel is right not what you are told is right.

  • 2 votes
Reply#11 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:13 AM EDT
Marsha-683560

On Tuesday, I will write in Hillary as my vote.   I'll be able to sleep at night, knowing that I voted for the person that I feel would make the best president, even though I know she won't win this time.  And contrary to the myths out there, a vote for Hillary is not a vote for Obama.

I know of at least 3 other friends of mine who will write in Hillary. 

I encourage everyone who can't pull the lever for Obama or McCain to consider a write-in for Hillary.

  • 1 vote
Reply#12 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
Marsha-683560

I'm not sure if my previous comment will be posted, so forgive me if this is a double post.

On Tuesday, I will vote my conscience and write in Hillary.

PUMA.

  • 1 vote
Reply#13 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
goldenwordsmith.newsvine.com

Well, I am struggling to vote for Obama. I said I'd vote for him to the two women who came to my apartment. I'd love for him to make history, but hate the way he treated the Clintons. (both of them). I do not agree with everything Hillary does, I was very surprised and angry she voted for the war, but she would have been a great Vice President. Obama did not want her husband as a back-seat driver, but her husband could have straightened out the economy from his Harlem Office! My heart tells me to go with her! I'm totally serious. I am struggling with this repeatedly. If I vote for her, and McCain wins, I still might feel better. I like the idea of Obama as President, but his attitude toward Hillary Clinton has been atrocious. The women who came to my door, and made me promise to vote for Obama (he has a really good campaign system), said sympathetically "Oh, you're a Hillary supporter." as if I came from another planet and couldn't see the light.

Yes, I am a Hillary supporter. We need a woman in the White House as much as we need a Black president. It is about time, and I am so angry over this. I will never like Obama, now.

  • 1 vote
Reply#14 - Sun Nov 2, 2008 6:47 AM EST
goldenwordsmith.newsvine.com

Well, I am struggling to vote for Obama. I said I'd vote for him to the two women who came to my apartment. I'd love for him to make history, but hate the way he treated the Clintons. (both of them). I do not agree with everything Hillary does, I was very surprised and angry she voted for the war, but she would have been a great Vice President. Obama did not want her husband as a back-seat driver, but her husband could have straightened out the economy from his Harlem Office! My heart tells me to go with her! I'm totally serious. I am struggling with this repeatedly. If I vote for her, and McCain wins, I still might feel better. I like the idea of Obama as President, but his attitude toward Hillary Clinton has been atrocious. The women who came to my door, and made me promise to vote for Obama (he has a really good campaign system), said sympathetically "Oh, you're a Hillary supporter." as if I came from another planet and couldn't see the light.

Yes, I am a Hillary supporter. We need a woman in the White House as much as we need a Black president. It is about time, and I am so angry over this. I will never like Obama, now.

  • 2 votes
Reply#15 - Sun Nov 2, 2008 7:01 AM EST
Marsha-683560

Goldenwordsmith, I also struggled about this decision for many of the reasons that you list.  There are millions of us out there.  You are not alone.

Once I came to the decision to write in Hillary, I felt much better. But each of us has to follow our own conscience.  You own your vote and you are not beholden to any campaign worker.  Do what you think is best.

  • 1 vote
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